Common sense versus Rationality

March 23, 2009 at 8:34 am | Posted in filsafat | 23 Comments
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This is what I have in mind now.

Everybody has his own perception, if not prescription, of what life (everything we have and haven’t come to know) should and shouldn’t be. You may believe that you are progressive, that you are against the mainstreams, that you view things from different perspectives, but still you can’t escape the so-called common sense. Nihilism, whoever invented this term, is never appealing to many people not because it is empirically and logically unsound but simply because it defies common sense. You cannot defy common sense however senseless that common sense is. Is private ownership rational? It is probably not, it just happens to be common-sensical today. How do you define “ownership”? It’s actually a very vague idea. We invented that concept – before everything has a name, nobody owned anybody. One day the idea of private ownership will probably become obsolete and communism will actually win, just like Zizek jokingly says. Nihilism says right and wrong are mere illusions and it’s probably true: if you say homosexuality should never be suppressed and discriminated against, why do you condemn incestuous or minor marriages? If you think genocide is a crime, why didn’t you try to stop the US and Israel from killing the Arabs? If you think colonialism is wrong, why do you let Exxon and Freeport extract our natural resources? Why? Simply because having sex with your sisters or brothers is not common-sensical. Nor is stopping the US and Israel. Nor is asking Freeport to get their asses out of Papua. We’re not being rational, we’re just being common-sensical. The only reason why we don’t commit suicide is that we don’t want people to read our story in daily newspapers and say: “This guy is an idiot. What a shame!”

Deep inside, we just want to be like other people; to live normally; to have a decent job, a decent pay, a decent reputation, a decent spouse, a decent love life and, to sum everything that we voluntarily and collectively want, a decent life.

I suddenly recall what my guru ngaji said about philosophy: what’s the use of learning and practicing philosophy? In the end you’ll go back to zero. And when you reach that point, if I have to rephrase what he says, you’ll feel no different from those who never know Plato or Derrida. We are living a certain life that we agreed to be as we want it to be, not a life as it is, empirically or rationally.

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  1. why do you condemn incestuous

    I don’t understand the biological explanation, but most of the time the kid will carry disability. The rate is higher than non-incestuous marriage.

    or minor marriages

    Because they will will make the younger person lose her/his chance to enjoy childhood. Marriage is not that delightful, IMO.
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    I think the reasons are still reasonable. 😕

  2. Errata: Marriage is not that delightful, IMO. Especially if the older partner is a pedophile.

  3. Aaargg…another errata: I think the reasons are still reasonable. ==> I think the reasons are still rational.

  4. I don’t understand the biological explanation, but most of the time the kid will carry disability.

    In reality, people smoke even though they know cigarette kills. People ban incestuous marriages not because it’s biologically dangerous, but simply because it defies commonsense. That’s my point.

    Because they will will make the younger person lose her/his chance to enjoy childhood. Marriage is not that delightful, IMO.

    That’s a bad logic. Read this.
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    It’s not rational, it’s just not commonsensical.
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    Btw, to many, marriage is fun.

  5. I am one of those people who think that marriage looks fun. 😀

  6. Common sense are proved not too common, though. 😛

  7. People ban incestuous marriages not because it’s biologically dangerous, but simply because it defies commonsense.

    Oh you were asking about the society. So I can’t help. It was just my personal stance. 🙂
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    That’s a bad logic. Read this.

    OK, will read it, and may come with another argument, either within the same stance or not. 😀
    (I just don’t know when 😦 )

  8. Btw, to many, marriage is fun.

    Btw, to many, marriage is not fun.

  9. @dnial
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    Does suicide make sense? It does to some people. But common people think it doesn’t. So, suicide is not common-sensical. And it’s very common to think like that. 😀

  10. @lambrtz
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    If — this is just an if, okay — incestuous marriage is clinically/medically proven to be safe, do you think it’s fine for someone to marry his/her sibling?

  11. If […] to marry his/her sibling?

    Maybe we can change the social norm then 🙂

  12. Ooh…I forget that that question was directed to me.
    Sooo…maybe I will change my stance, maybe not. I, like anyone else in this world, have certain level of bigotry, you know :mrgreen:

  13. I suddenly recall what my guru ngaji said about philosophy: what’s the use of learning and practicing philosophy? In the end you’ll go back to zero.

    😯
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    *andai saya punya yang seperti itu* 😕
    *sigh*
    *putar Panbers – Terlambat Sudah*
    *gaknyambung*

  14. The only reason why we don’t commit suicide is that we don’t want people to read our story in daily newspapers and say: “This is guy an idiot. What a shame!”

    i’d say that’s a reckless presumption. but it would be more understandabel for me if the word “we” is replaced with “I” *kabuuur* :mrgreen:

  15. liat atas
    ooo… begitu toh situasinya… perlu dicariken psikiater Gen?

  16. @frozen
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    OOT.
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    @sj
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    Gak bisa, pokoknya “we”.
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    @illuminationis
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    Tau dari mana Anda psikiater tidak depresi?

  17. jaminan sih ga ada, yang jelas kalo ketahuan dicabut izin prakteknya :mrgreen:.
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    Tapi seperti kata pepatah common-sensical, ikuti anjuran hidup baik tetua agama/ dokter, tapi jangan ikuti prakteknya mereka. Teori dan praktek sering terjadi diskrepansi 😆

  18. hold up.

    guru ngaji mu nihilist?

  19. @illuminationist
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    Hoho, iya betul itu. Sepakat.
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    @irene
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    Oh, bukan, maksud beliau gak usah belajar filsafat; ngaji Qur’an aja yang bener, karena ujung-ujungnya yah kitab suci yang bener. Ibaratnya, kitab suci itu jalan pintas, filsafat jalan memutar. Makanya saya masih pusing ini muter-muter gak jelas.

  20. Kata guru ngaji anda mirip benar dengan yg saya pikirkan akhir2 ini, hanya dengan tanda tanya dibelakangnya; Pada akhirnya tidak ada bedanya antara yg mempelajari filsafat dan yg tidak?

    Tetap saja, bukankah kalo mutar-mutar, semakin banyak jadinya yg bisa diliat? jadinya lebih fun…

  21. Secara komonsens saya… saya setuju dengan hampir semua isi dari postingan ini. Pikiran awak hampir-hampir senada-seirama ini, Gen :mrgreen:

    The only reason why we don’t commit suicide is that we don’t want people to read our story in daily newspapers and say: “This guy is an idiot. What a shame!”

    Another story about suicidal tendency? :mrgreen:

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    BTW, guru ngaji anda itu mirip2 dengan org2 tua yang pernah ada beberapa tahun lalu. Mereka mengubah persepsi hidup lebih dari sekedar celoteh2 dan keluh-kesah pencerahan hidup. IMHO, sih. Ini cuma persenel eksperien 😕
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    Akhirnya memang saya lebih milih kitab suci jadi kompas. Patron hidup. Yang lain cuma macam komik saja. Penyegar. Saya sudah bosan dengan banyak pencerahan2 yang mutar2 di situ saja, tanpa tahu apakah pencerahan2 itu sudah benar2 teruji dalam hidup 😕

  22. Bah! DItelan akisimemet komenku! 😡

  23. @alex
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    Gak ketelen kok. Aman.
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    Ya, itu pilihan, Lex. Dan betul apa kata kau soal ujian itu; argumentasi neo-konservatif yah begitu: Apakah ide2 pencerahan abad ke 21 itu sudah teruji? Masyarakat kita masih tradisional sebenarnya sekalipun orang-orang sudah punya Facebook; nilai-nilai yang kita anggap kuno sebenarnya masih bertahan hingga kini. Tidak selalu ada kaitannya dnegan agama sih, tetapi common sense, meskipun saya gak bisa mendefinisikannya secara pasti, memang pastinya survive lama sekali. Bisa jadi itu produk evolusi juga. :mrgreen: Kalo pun iya, tak masalah buat saya.


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